I use the 5 mesh canvas for large projects and when I purchase kits with the 3.75 mesh. I discard the 3.75 mesh and use the 5 mesh instead. The results are a much softer, dense rug. The results are beautiful. I also use counted cross stitch patterns and translate the colors onto the rug. It's a little tricky since counted cross stitch threads come in hundreds of colors while rug yarn is limited, but I have had great results with this. Can't thank you enough for your service. I inadvertently ordered the wrong canvas but one phone call to you and you fixed everything for me.